FIVE 1960 INTERVIEWS WITH DR. LINUS PAULINGTelephone Interview (Oct. 4, 1960)
by Virginia Mill
MILL: What were your original plans for last summer, before you were summoned for your appearance before the Senate Internal Security Sub-Committee on June 21?
This summer I was planning to spend about two months in Europe. I
was going to take part in several
meetings. I did take part in the Tercentenary celebration of the Royal
Society of London. I'm one of the
Fellows. There are about 50 Foreign Members, as they're called,
the Royal Society in the whole world. I went to London after the
hearing in Washington, and I attended the Tercentenary
I also attended the International Congress on Mental Deficiency in
I am working, you know, on mental deficiency with the support of a
from the Ford Foundation, $450,000 for five years, and I wanted to hear
some of the papers and meet some of the people there.
MILL: At that time you thought you would have to be back August 9th - did you not?
PAULING: Yes, at the time that I canceled most of my engagements I thought I would have to be back August 9th. Then, when I learned that for the convenience or my attorney, because or his health, it was because he had been ordered by his doctor to rest.
Wirin had made plans to have a rest. His health was not in very
shape. The hearing was postponed to 15 September, but I still had to
back to help with the preparation of the court action, the court suit,
so that - moreover - I had canceled these other lectures already.
That is the situation.
MILL: That opens up another area of discussion. What you were able to accomplish with Mr. Wadsworth and the others (representatives to the Geneva Test Ban Conference)?
PAULING: I'm glad that he is now Ambassador to the United Nations, but 1'm sorry to see him have to leave the Geneva Conference after he had negotiated so well for over a year and a half, and had brought the negotiations almost to a successful conclusion.
MILL: Were you encouraged by your talks with them?
PAULING: Oh, I was very much encouraged by my talks with all three.
MILL: Did they seem to feel that they'd derived some help from you?
PAULING: I don't know that I can say that. I felt that they were pleased, rather than displeased, to talk with me.
MILL: Did they seek information, and get it?
PAULING: They encouraged me to go ahead with my work in influencing public opinion.
MILL: They did?
PAULING: Yes, all three of them. I don't think that this is any violation of secrecy. That was my impression, at any rate.
MILL: Is it all right for me to quote that?
PAULING: Yes, I don't think they will deny it. And I must say I was very well impressed by all three of these men. By the way, all three or them said to me that it would be possible to complete the job of formulating a bomb test agreement very quickly - in a month or two, if the national governments gave permission to the negotiators to drive ahead.
MILL: What about your research? How much are you behind because of your unexpected activities (Appearance before Senate Internal Security Sub-Committee)?
Well, I haven't succeeded in getting much of anything done since the
of June. Of course I was
to be away, but also doing some work on the mental disease field while
I was in Europe; especially visiting laboratories and talking with
and some other work - catching up on things. I didn't succeed in
doing that. And since getting back I haven't been able to work on
my scientific work at all - practically not at all - so that I've been
put quite a bit behind. I have a paper - an important paper I
in this general field that I thought I could get done before going to
After the hearing in Washington (on) the 21st, I came back home, but I
wasn't able to work on that paper.
MILL: What about Mr. Dodd's (Sen. Thomas Dodd, Chairman of the Senate Internal Security Sub-Committee) accusation that, through your testimony you wish to become a martyr?
PAULING: Well, I hope that it will soon be over.
MILL: I consider that work such as you are doing is so important that you can't be spared for a jail term..
PAULING: The Pasadena Independent has a fine editorial today supporting me very strongly - really - although many newspapers, of course, have published editorials supporting me, I think that this is the strongest one that has appeared yet.